This episode features the full discussion between Eve Tuck and Rinaldo Walcott that took place at the Indigenous and Decolonizing Studies in Education Conference at the Ontario Institute for Studies in Education on September 30, 2016. Snippets from this exchange were featured in Episode 10, “Writing Into the Henceforward”. In this conversation, Eve and Rinaldo explore the complexities of indigeneity, land, and sovereignty as understood and lived by Indigenous and Black peoples.